I’m sick of religious sex freaks forcing others to adhere to their puritan fetishes
We need to ban organized religion
Why did we get refugees from r/atheism? rolls eyes
The majority of the secular world are atheists. Don’t pretend like it is some small subsection just because you live in a bubble of whatever religion you were born into.
Agnostics. Not necessarily atheists. And they sure as hell aren’t sam harris type dickheads about it like this lemmy thread has.
Oh good so I’m not alone
Agnostic sounds like a sub-category of atheism like it is with different beliefs under theism. Ie. It’s Theism vs Atheism, and then everything below the two. If you don’t believe or don’t know if you should believe, then you’re not really a theist, making it atheist.
Bro I don’t believe in God either. To be honest sometimes I wish I did.
Regardles my problem isn’t with atheism but with specifcally Reddit Atheism
Ew, when did we get reddit’s cringy appeals to the audience talking past the original poster in an ineffectual attempt to throw shade?
People did that on forums before Reddit.
Or just live and let live…
We’ve tried that one.
A tolerant society can not tolerate intolerance. One side will attempt to “just live”, but the intolerant side is incapable of “letting live”, and they will not stop until they replace tolerance with their system of hate.
Why should we? They don’t let us live.
Sure, but since orgaanised religions can’t help to force others to live by their standards, they need to get out of the way. I’m fine with people needing a comfort measure, even if its in the form of an invisibile friend. Whatever helps people sleep at night. However, when they try to force their ideals down everybody elses throat thats a big no.
So, since they can’t ‘live and let live’ they need to go the way of the dodo, fuck off, and leave the rest of society alone.
Meh, I consider religions as political movements. When they go crazy fundamentalist, try to take over and become destructive, sure, shut them down.
But not just based on their future potential to turn destructive, that can happen to any ideology if the conditions are right.
But what undeniable good thing comes from religion? It’s not just that they have the potential for destruction and hate, it’s that those are the only possible outcomes
What undeniable good thing comes from politics?
We could get unions, consumer protections, housing and food and other necessities guaranteed. We don’t, but we could. Politics is just trying to solidify how things are run. Obviously easily can be used for abuse, but can be used for good. Religion from the first step is to tell you how bad of a person you are and how to resolve it: join a cult, deny personal responsibility for anything and put that on whatever deity or subject for hate at the time, all your answers should be sought through your religion and not outside sources
me watching clearly adult humans doing consentual sex things
some religious zealot chud: this makes you a pedo somehow
Trump doing actual pedo and rape shit and being a convicted felon
Religious zealot chuds in the US: “there’s no proof”
This comment and many like it are a product of only reading the headline. Also shame on the authors for the ragebait headline.
The tweet the quote comes further classifies that they’re talking about games that include rape, incest, and/or child sex abuse. I’m not sure if people are just knee-jerk reacting to headlines without understanding what’s actually happening, or if they are legitimately upset that rape fantasy games are being removed. In both cases, you’re stating that you are vocally in support of rape media, which is not OK.
Sure, that’s the plausible deniability reasoning. But the end result, whether you agree with the on the surface reasoning or not, is the removal of all adult media whether or not it is offending. This coupled with the lumping in of LGBT issues with Adult media (and often lumping in with egregious media like rape and abuse fantasy) means that the end result is removal of adult games AND games which feature LGBT characters and storylines.
and uh, if you actually did read my comment, I did say consenting. me saying I enjoy content where clear adults are consentually enjoying sex is not endorsing rape fantasy games, and is a bit of a Twitter ass conclusion to come to.
and uh, if you actually did read my comment, I did say consenting. me saying I enjoy content where clear adults are consentually enjoying sex is not endorsing rape fantasy games, and is a bit of a Twitter ass conclusion to come to.
The article you commented on is explicitly referencing media where consent cannot be given. So, I’m not sure why you commented about consenting adults in the first place, because that had nothing to do with the topic.
Because that’s the net result of their actions: removal of consentual media and grouping of consentual media consumers with pedophilia.
Collective Shout claim it’s about harm reduction, but then push an agenda that functionally amounts to moral panic.
Their approach is identical in logic to the “GTA causes school shootings” hysteria: loud, pearl-clutching, and utterly unmoored from data.
If Collective Shout want to argue these games cause harm, then show us the harm. Not correlation. Not outrage. Not hypothetical downstream consequences. Show causation. Peer-reviewed. Reproducible.
Otherwise, they’re just moralizing bullies using the banking system as a cudgel.
On top of this, they might actually be harming their own cause. The catharsis hypothesis poses that sexual fantasy enactment might reduce risk of real world harm.
The logic is simple: suppressing a compulsion doesn’t eliminate it. It just bottles up until it explodes. Redirect it into a safe outlet, and it becomes manageable.
The only reason this research isn’t cited more often is because it’s politically radioactive. Nobody wants to admit that it’s better to let a gooners jerk off, than to escalate under repression.
The burden of proof SHOULD be on Collective Shout to provide a reasonable argument which supports their claim that censorship will reduce real world harm.
Current working theory in psychology: it doesn’t. Emerging theory suggests: they’re shooting themselves (and potential rape victims) in the foot.
The real solution to real-world harm involves empathy, autonomy and education.
Furthermore…
Their decision to target the payment processors - not the developers, or itch.io, or steam, is some of the most cowardly and authoritarian things I’ve ever seen in the gaming space.
It’s economic coercion; a playbook used by religious bigots and authoritarians for decades. Financial censorship by proxy. IMO: they should fuck off.
We have examples today of the real harm of this, like in Afghanistan. It’s interesting that western societies are overall less religious as ever, yet religion keeps getting shoved down our throats… and winning.
They are religious nutjobs, they don’t care about causation.
I thought they were a feminist group
I believe they’re a religious group under the guise of feminism and child protection. If you look at their affiliate page, they list quite a few religious groups.
Feminism isn’t a religion?
In what way is Feminism a religion? Do feminists pray to Lilith? Is there a Woman Church? Is International Women’s Day the Christmas of this religion?
Think before you say silly things.
Seems like a good time to get a new CC processor.
This whole thing smacks of the “anyone who has a sexual proclivity I claim not to share must have all sexual proclivities I claim not to share” logic. i.e. the logic that got gay people flagged as child molesters back in the bad old days. And occasionally still today.
Such logic might actually be rooted in projection, which is a deeply disturbing thought. Deeply closeted people desperately clinging to heteronormativity and traditional gender roles because they think that if they don’t they they’ll do something abhorrent. Maybe even to someone who can’t consent. Or they already have and they desperately want to hide away from it.
Yes, for the love of all that’s holy and secular too, ban the games with apparent child sexual abuse. Children can’t consent. Leave everything else the hell alone.
I don’t even play video games with sexual themes, but I do play ones that contain 18+ violence. I assume those will be next on the chopping block.
Reminder that child beauty pageants are A OK.
Sponsored by Visa 🤔
Thanks for saying it. What kind of fucking parent puts their kids on display in an event that will invite actual pedophiles to start actual concoctions that would cause permanent harm on them? Ah, but fictitious media that may actually help keep those urges in check needs to be removed.
And then there’s the bullshit thought that a service that serves as a replacement for cash transactions can decide what I buy?
I need to get off of this fucking world.
There’s a few groups like this in Australia, unfortunately.
Australia didn’t even have an R18+ rating for games until 2013 (R18+ is similar to AO or NC-17 in the USA). Before then, all games with a higher rating than MA15+ were illegal in Australia. Many games had an Australia-specific version with blood/gore reduced, some things edited out, etc. to reduce the rating. The original release of GTA4 in Australia was heavily censored.
“Pro life feminist”
A christian conservative group in drag,nothing to see here.
Yep. They drive all the decent people out of anti porn feminist spaces, like the porn is misogyny subreddit. They need to be stopped.
I truly don’t understand how Visa/MasterCard/etc can be pressured. They are basically infrastructure.
What’s someone going to do, stop using credit cards if they don’t stop a store that person doesn’t even patronize from selling morally hazardous goods?
I don’t get how these campaigns are even effective.
They pressure payment processors through reputation damage and regulatory threats - these companies are terrified of being associated with anything that could trigger banking regulations or get them labeled as “enabling” problematic content in the media, its purely a risk management desicion for them.
Cryptocurrency is the solution here, and unfortunately that’s an unpopular take here.
That’s because 90% of cryptocurrency marketing consists of “THINK OF THE GAAAAAAINS YOU CAN MAKE!” instead of “You can use this to buy things without government censorship”.
The entire crypto industry has based itself around being a speculative asset, not a currency.
Which is really unfortunate. If you avoid the most popular coins (Bitcoin, Ethereum, etc), you avoid most of the scams and speculation and end up with a decent currency that respects your privacy and has low fees.
monero?
Yup, Monero is probably the best option. I’ve heard good things about Z-cash, and Bitcoin can work on the lightning network.
Tell me more
Monero is perhaps the best option imo. Here’s the official page about it, but basically:
- not profitable to mine, so most miners are enthusiasts who want the coin to succeed
- privacy-focused - basically creates a ton of fake transactions to mislead snoopers
- relatively popular - seems to be the most popular coin recommended by privacy enthusiasts (e.g. Mental Outlaw, he even gives a discount on his store for Monero)
- not popular among speculators - they mostly stick to the big ones (BTC and ETH), as well as new startup coins
- low cost transactions, fairly short transaction window
It’s far from ubiquitous, but it’s popular enough that if a place accepts any crypto, there’s a good chance they accept Monero as well.
Is it really the best option when no business uses them?
Some do, which is a lot more than GNU Taler. I don’t know of another digital payment system that has more usage that isn’t dominated by a handful of companies.
Here are some examples of things you can buy today w/ Monero:
- gift cards
- Mullvad VPN
- Based.win - Mental Outlaw’s online store
- a handful of other places, and and some more
It’s far from ubiquitous, but it is being accepted today. If any of those places interest you, I recommend putting a small amount of money into Monero and trying it out.
Not when exchanges still govern taking money out. They are businesses like everything else and will be just as risk averse
You don’t need to use an exchange. You can use a local wallet to store your funds, and then no company controls who/where you send it to.
It’s pretty easy to switch between cryptocurrencies, so they can surely find an exchange that is friendly to their business. That’s way better than the credit card situation where there are only four major processors–Visa, Mastercard, Discover, and American Express–and only two of those actually matter.
None of what you said addresses the problem I mentioned.
Then I guess I don’t understand your problem.
Payment processors like Visa and Mastercard control a huge chunk of the market, which gives them a lot of say in what transactions are allowed. Even if you avoid credit, most debit cards go through those two companies, so they can restrict what transactions you can make.
With cryptocurrencies, there’s no restriction at the point of sale. Your problem seems to be that converting crypto to fiat could be problematic, and they’d potentially be stuck with “useless” currency. My point is that’s a much easier problem to solve:
- if their exchange stops converting a given currency, they can convert to one they do accept
- if their exchange bans their account (e.g. due to the nature of their business), they can switch exchanges
- there are ATMs that dispense cash for crypto
- if no exchange will work with them, they can make direct exchanges with regular people (i.e. “launder” the money)
- they can also spend the currency directly
There are a ton of options to convert crypto to fiat, there are far fewer to select a different fiat payment processor.
I’ll bet.
R placing a bad system with a worse system does not solve the problem
What makes it worse?
The thing is they are American corporations who care to much about their public image. I would be highly suprised if they national payment platforms would also accept this. (ideal/bankcontant/wero/etc)
That is so dumb. How would such a small group have that much pull? It seems like gooners would vastly outnumber them.
In the 90s, in my country, a single person made a webpage stating that Microsoft minesweeper promotes war and violence, so since windows 95 if the Windows locale is set to my language, minesweeper becomes “flower field” and you have to find flowers instead of mines
Hold up, all this shit because of an extremist group, *in Australia, where half the M games on the market already can’t be sold, is driving global payment processor behavior?!?
I like how the language is ‘claims responsibility.’ You know. Like terrorist groups do after an attack
Ah yes, now anyone who enjoys wanking themselves off in private, is also a Pedo, because they ran out of mean words.
Its more perverted to want to control what other people are jacking to than it is to jack it to porn games. Keep your perversions to yourselves weirdos.
Are we wagering this absurdity is built on projection?
cause I’m wagering this absurdity is built on them projecting.
It always is. These are the type of folks who have that feeling of shame wash over after they bust a nut to something they “despise.”
That literally all these types of groups are. They want us to feel the same shame, too. I wish folks could just keep their shit to themselves. Have rules for your own home, sure, but eat shit and rot if you think you should be able to tell me how I should live my life.
I draw the line at abuse, but yeah, otherwise agree.
Totally. I just mean if you don’t want porn or violence in your home more power to ya, but keep your rules to yourself. Let me live and enjoy my life.
Honestly, my steam algorithm started showing me alot of that garbage out of nowhere about a year ago and I had to keep telling it to stop. Like to each their own but some of that shit was pretty gross. I’m not complaining it’s gone.
There’s a toggle for the store that hides porn games. They’re not visible unless you yourself actively click on it saying you want to see them. The default is to keep them hidden. The feed also adapts to what you click on. If you see garbage it’s on you.
I’ve learned about the toggle since then. I know for a fact I didn’t click on any gooner-bait though lol
That second part is kinda annoying though. It doesn’t know the difference between a view because of curiosity and one because of actual interest.
It’s what ruined the YouTube suggestions for me. I liked being able to do completely unrelated and random dives. Now it’s just a collection of videos related to previous ones I’ve watched, even when I’m not logged in and have viewing history turned off. If I want to watch another chess video, I know how to use the search function. That’s how I found them the first time.
Though steam does also have a “stop showing me games like this” where it gives options about what you mean by “this”.
