Ring footage shows an agent pulling his gun on her, after which he shoves her down multiple times, pushes her back into house & slams the door.

All because she was asking for proof of a warrant. They refused to even give their names & badge numbers.

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    It says right there in the article that he “grew up in South Carolina”. Another source says his visa papers were taken away years ago and he’s been trying to get them back ever since – hence the “working towards legal citizenship”

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      It says right there in the article that he “grew up in South Carolina”.

      Assuming it’s true that he did, that does not, at all, contradict/refute him being an illegal immigrant.

      Another source says his visa papers were taken away years ago and he’s been trying to get them back ever since – hence the “working towards legal citizenship”

      That’s not a “source”, that’s the quoted claim of his girlfriend:

      Celeste Hernandez, his significant other, said that…Arce has been in the process of getting his visa papers back after getting them taken away years ago.

      There has been no verification of this claim’s accuracy, and she is the furthest thing from an objective third party. Calling her a “source” is disingenuous as fuck, and I have a feeling you know that.

      Not to mention, “working towards legal citizenship” very strongly implies he was never a legal citizen before, or else why wouldn’t it say something like he was working toward ‘regaining’ citizenship, or mention that he ‘lost’ citizenship?

      It says right there in the article that he “grew up in South Carolina”.

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        Not to mention, “working towards legal citizenship” very strongly implies he was never a legal citizen before, or else why wouldn’t it say something like he was working toward ‘regaining’ citizenship, or mention that he ‘lost’ citizenship?

        You know there are hundreds of thousands of permanent residents in the US who are not legal citizens but may or may not be working towards said legal citizenship, right? “Legal immigrant” doesn’t automatically translate to “citizen”.

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          My wife is legal green card resident

          The poster you’re replying to doesn’t know a damn thing.

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          The 2005 deportation order, issued one year after his arrival in the US, makes me think that, somehow, he might not have been a lawful permanent resident.

          P.S. No admission of the deceit in acting like his girlfriend’s claim was a journalistic source of information, I see.

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        So my objective person: you are saying you believe the word of ICE (which conveniently we do not even have) over a published article? Neither should be taken at face value, but who do you think is more likely to be telling the truth?

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          So my objective person: you are saying you believe the word of ICE

          Skepticism of one account does not amount to endorsement of another.

          Neither should be taken at face value, but who do you think is more likely to be telling the truth?

          I don’t think there’s sufficient justification to assume fully on either side, but the fact is that because it’s the popular position, people are happy to take the side against ICE regardless of the circumstances, which is why this post exists in the first place.

          All I did was point out said lack of justification on that side, and try to find more information about a situation the linked article obviously wasn’t giving the whole picture for.

          No emotional response from me (though plenty of people here project their emotional response onto me, since they can’t fathom someone not eagerly believing whatever benefits their narrative without scrutiny, and so the slightest bit of scrutiny/skepticism of an event they’ve attached their narrative to instantly becomes the assumption ‘you’re a foot soldier for the Bad/Other Guys!’).

          That’s how objectivity works, despite your sarcastic implication otherwise.