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Eezyville@sh.itjust.worksto News@lemmy.world•Ghislaine Maxwell Lawyer Says She Will Only Testify for Immunity or ClemencyEnglish2·4 days agoWho was the one who wrote that agreement that Epstein signed? That’s the person you have beef with. And this has gone off topic. I argue that if the govt made an agreement in their plea agreement then they have to honor it. I don’t give a fuck about legality of the agreement. If they make the agreement, both parties sign it, and the judge approved it then honor it. There is nothing you can say that will change my mind.
Eezyville@sh.itjust.worksto News@lemmy.world•Ghislaine Maxwell Lawyer Says She Will Only Testify for Immunity or ClemencyEnglish2·4 days agoNo you are arguing just to argue.
I never said anything about “honoring handshake agreements” as the basis of our justice system and this isn’t a handshake agreement. It was literally done in a court of law.
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Once again the defendant is NOT AT FAULT. If you want to put blame on anyone then you put it on the prosecutor. And the reason why you claim he is at fault is the literal definition for granting immunity. Immunity means you cannot be prosecuted for the crimes committed within it’s scope. If you have a problem with that then you have a problem with a lot of cases that were won because immunity was granted towards co-conspirators.
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The govt should honor their agreement regardless of if the person is alive or dead. Would you be ok with the govt reneging on a deal if the victim died? Someone takes a plea deal and gets 15yrs, the victim dies in year 5, the govt goes back on the deal and releases the inmate. Is that ok? I bet it isn’t.
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The deal was not clearly illegal and ONCE AGAIN THE FAULT IS WITH THE PROSECUTOR. Did the prosecutor know if the deal was illegal? The deal they made? The deal was done in federal court between the defendant, his lawyer, the prosecutor, AND approved by the fucking judge. You’re telling me that of all those legal experts involved the only one at fault is the one person who isn’t a legal expert (the defendant) and because those legal experts made an illegal deal that the defendant has to be punished for agreeing to the deal that all the legal experts drafted for him? Shut the fuck up. You’re just here to argue.
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Eezyville@sh.itjust.worksto News@lemmy.world•Ghislaine Maxwell Lawyer Says She Will Only Testify for Immunity or ClemencyEnglish2·4 days agoYou are clearly arguing just to argue.
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How is the defendant at fault? They didn’t make the deal, the prosecutor did. All they did was agree to the terms and kept their end of the bargain. Literally lawyers on both sides and the one who is not a lawyer is at fault?
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AGREEING to a deal that protects one party from prosecution is the WHOLE POINT OF IMMUNITY. If the govt is known for not honoring immunity deals then no one will ever agree to them and key witnesses will be hard to come by in cases against organized crime.
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If you make a deal THEN YOU HONOR IT! The example you gave on murder is fucking stupid. That’s clearly an illegal act. But the govt had their lawyers AND STILL MADE THE DEAL. Honor your deal.
Let me guess though. You are the type of person who goes back on their word just because you felt some type of way. Enter a contract and back out halfway through because things change?
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Eezyville@sh.itjust.worksto News@lemmy.world•Ghislaine Maxwell Lawyer Says She Will Only Testify for Immunity or ClemencyEnglish2·4 days agoNo. Let me get you straight before you try to put words in my mouth to paint your narrative.
I am against prosecutors GOING BACK on the deals they’ve made. I don’t care if the prosecutor did something wrong ON THEIR END. They are the ones who have to make sure their side is straight. If the defendant enters an agreement with the prosecutor and fulfills their end of the agreement then the govt has to uphold their end as well. The defendant is at no fault for the prosecution’s mistake.
And before you continue to try and paint your narrative I want to be clear that I’m not siding with the govt or Epstein. IDAF, Epstein is dead. But during his first conviction a deal was made by the prosecution who represented the US Govt and that deal granted immunity to his co-conspirators which was broken by someone else who represented the US Govt.
Eezyville@sh.itjust.worksto News@lemmy.world•Ghislaine Maxwell Lawyer Says She Will Only Testify for Immunity or ClemencyEnglish22·4 days agoAnd that is NOT the fault of Epstein. He upheld his end of the bargain and if the prosecutor did something underhanded that is not Epstein’s fault. The agreement should have been honored. Look at the Smollet and Cosby cases. But imagine if it was the way you wanted. All the prosecution has to do is break some rules on their end just so they can invalidate any deals made to the defense. Who would make deals then? They typically give immunity to secure convictions and this would make it impossible.
Eezyville@sh.itjust.worksto News@lemmy.world•Ghislaine Maxwell Lawyer Says She Will Only Testify for Immunity or ClemencyEnglish2·4 days agoThen why is she sitting in Federal Prison? She was prosecuted in federal court on federal charges regarding the activity she should have had immunity on when Epstein was convicted the first time. He had a deal with the federal prosecutor in Florida that they would grant immunity to his co-conspirators. He did what he was supposed to under the deal but the New York prosecutor who convicted Maxwell decided to ignore that.
Eezyville@sh.itjust.worksto News@lemmy.world•Ghislaine Maxwell Lawyer Says She Will Only Testify for Immunity or ClemencyEnglish18·5 days agoShe was supposed to have immunity after Epstein’s first conviction from Florida but New York decided that they didn’t have to honor that. Why would she try again?
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