…Because countries are less willing to fight wars due to the possibility of escalating into a nuclear war.


This is a common thing I see repeated throughout the internet. I wonder what’s Lemmy’s opinion on this.

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    16 days ago

    I don’t. Personally I think it has led to more proxy wars, as the stability-instability paradox suggests. I think the amount of actual aggression went down after WWII, but has since recovered and surpassed pre-WWII levels. But now everyone is afraid of declaring war on nuclear powers, so they’ll let the nuclear country get away with genocide or other atrocities instead. Look at Israel and Russia right now for easy examples. Seems like the winning strategy now is to convince your adversaries that you’re crazy enough to launch your nukes and then you can do whatever you want without other countries taking a strong enough stance to stop you. That’s not peace, that’s nuclear intimidation. I don’t even see a peaceful way out of it.

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    Nuclear weapons are the single biggest mistake humanity has ever made next to the Industrial revolution.

    We still fight horribly bloody wars even with the threat of nuclear annihilation. It is obvious that nuclear weapons do nothing but make everything worse, and the materials used to create them would be better used for energy generation.

    If we were smart we would decommission every weapon on the planet and ensure no group or person can make another one, and put the materials to a better use.

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      I disagree, and the first time we used nukes on each other was completely justified.

      Do some research into WWII-era Japan. They were horrific, just as bad as the Nazis and worse in many cases. They weren’t going to surrender without being nuked. Military leaders even plotted overthrowing the prime minister after they were nuked so they could keep fighting and keep killing.

      If the Allies had gone through with their invasion, it would have been a bloodbath with several times more deaths, both civilian and military, than what we got with Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

      Right now it’s ‘cool’ to revise history and say things like “Japan shouldn’t have been nuked” or “the US civil war wasn’t about slavery.”

      Open your eyes. Don’t let the sensationalized crowds lead you astray; they don’t know any better.

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          Umm, ok.

          I guess you never learned how to admit when you’re incorrect.

          I don’t argue with 10 day old accounts operating in bad faith on 13 day old comments.

          Yeah, this is part of the mental gymnastics you go through to protect your ego. You can’t be wrong if the person correcting you is on a new social media account or your comments are x days old, lol. I said nothing in bad faith, so you’re just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.

          I used to expect more from people like you, but now I see more reasons why I shouldn’t.

          The next-generation’s brains are fried because they’ve been conditioned to think they’re perfect all the time. You are incapable of taking criticism without throwing a tantrum and attacking the criticizer.

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    Holding everyone hostage sure feels like peace! Peace also somehow includes funding genocides and bombing countries in the middle east.

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      “ holding everyone hostage” is a huge hyperbole, your rights aren’t being infringed because other countries have nukes those big countries just stopped directly attacking each other which is a good thing.

      Proxy wars have existed for a long time and will continue for a long time the entire American revolution only succeeded because France was funding the U.S. and Britain was too busy fighting France to devote enough resources to fight the U.S.

      Could you imagine how many more deaths there would be if NATO directly fought against the Warsaw pact

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    Yes, on the whole nuclear weapons have made the world more peaceful. Large nations rarely go to war with each-other, something which used to happen relatively frequently.

    Of course the world isn’t peaceful, but it would be worse without MAD.

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      I get the feeling though that MAD is wearing off. Countries are rightfully terrified of using nuclear weapons to the point that they are testing attacks against each other through thinly-veiled proxies.

      Two years ago NATO was scared of allowing Ukraine to attack Russia, for fear of defensive nuclear strikes. Today we know that Russia will not even use nuclear weapons in self-defence.

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        Today we know that Russia will not even use nuclear weapons in self-defence.

        ?

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          Russia threatened that it will use nuclear weapons as soon as the Ukraine attacks russia back on russian soil.

          Ukraine attacked russia on russian soil, and russia didn’t use nuclear weapons. Because it’s too afraid of nukes being returned to them.