NEW YORK—The Trump administration and its radical right foot-soldiers in the federal government and in the states are undertaking a comprehensive scheme to undermine future state and federal elections, in effect rigging the rolls to keep themselves in power no matter what the voters decide.
  • Gammelfisch@lemmy.world
    14·
    5 hours ago

    Fucking Russia and CCP run China in the USA. That is some 3rd World crap right there and the Blue States should tell Canada to annex them ASAP.

  • the_doktor@lemmy.zip
    37·
    10 hours ago

    JuSt VoTe NeXt TiMe!!!

    And every time I tell people we won’t get a vote they laugh at me. Holy fuck, people just don’t get how severe and horrible this administration is. We can’t remove them for abuse of law, we can barely counter their worst abuses just to have them win in the end, and we’re about to have them as dictators for life with no voting.

    I honestly think the only solution is to leave this damned country. But guess what, unless you have a decent amount of money, that’s out, too.

    We’re fucked

  • glitchdx@lemmy.worldEnglish
    181·
    11 hours ago

    What do you mean “revealed” as if this is news? I thought this was the plan the whole fucking time.

  • COASTER1921@lemmy.ml
    15·
    12 hours ago

    What is in this article that we didn’t already know? Is there any new legislation in process of being passed? This just sounds like the same playbook we used for the 2024 election to me.

  • UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world
    621·
    19 hours ago

    The article says the constitution say a president can’t change voting rules, but this president has the house, the senate and the judges.

  • SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one
    20629·
    1 day ago

    Trump: convicted rapist, pedophile, misogynistic swine. Also failed businessman, pathological liar, corrupt to all hell. Sellout to Russia and the Nazis.

    Harris: didn’t condemn Israel.

    Fuck off ‘both sides’-ers

    • JonsJava@lemmy.worldMEnglish
      1083·
      16 hours ago

      Comment was reported for

      Misinformation and genocide denial

      I’m leaving this up.

    • FosterMolasses@leminal.spaceEnglish
      428·
      17 hours ago

      This this this this this this this this.

      I have zero goddamn sympathy for any so-called “leftist” who didn’t vote for Kamala. You have condoned neo-facism to stroke your own ego. No two ways about it. At least now they get to enjoy the fruits of their labor. Tell me, how’s that self-righteousness taste?

    • Fedizen@lemmy.world
      193·
      15 hours ago

      You can make the point about trump being a criminally weirdo pervert fake businessman without misrepresenting (and therefore failing to learn from) the 2024 election.

      Harris kicked tent poles out of the Big Tent™. This includes immigration (low latino turnout). It seems unserious to say it was just the blind eye to Israel’s genocide that lost the election, i haven’t seen a piece of evidence that bore out the genocide as Kamala’s sole reason for losing the popular vote.

      Its also the case that republicans spend literally billions more on media and it leads to them dominating online spaces with pure spam. Online posting is never a substitute for knocking on doors, a thing the Kamala campaign failed to do sufficiently.

      DNC apologists always being like “well they were trying to recruit more bigots” and then act surprised when the bigots and their overwhelming piles of media cash chase voters out of the Big Tent

    • Pacattack57@lemmy.world
      39·
      1 day ago

      A vote for Trump is a vote to end America. It really is that simple. If there is one thing I hope future generations rally around and condemn is Trump voters. I hope they are shamed for eternity.

      • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlBanned from communityEnglish
        413·
        14 hours ago

        A vote for Trump is a vote to end America

        Are you trying to sell me on him? America is a bipartisan genocidal scourge. It should be ended.

        • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          111·
          14 hours ago

          A lot of what made the US a superpower has already disappeared. Its alliances with Europe and the Commonwealth. Its influence on global trade. Its influence on global institutions. Its soft power through things like USAID.

        • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
          121·
          15 hours ago

          I wish Lemmy had a remind me bot so I could come back to this comment in 6 months. It takes time for Trade and Tourism to drop off, and more time for the effects of that to be noticed by the average citizen who is having the reality of the situation hidden from them by the propaganda machine of the oligarchs.

          • Rekorse@sh.itjust.works
            116·
            15 hours ago

            Clearly the world is burning down. Not much has changed besides things being a bit more expensive.

            • NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world
              2·
              1 hour ago

              And, you know, the dissolving of rights, kidnapping immigrants, putting children in handcuffs, the openly fascist plan being played out that just hit the 50% goal of destroying our government and replacing it with fascist theocracy, but yeah, pretty much the same as always, right?

      • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
        174·
        17 hours ago

        Well to be fair, Trump wanted to cooperate with Israel on a beach resort in Gaza, whereas Harris was just afraid of saying Israel bad, because Israel buys a fucktonne of weapons from the US and a big part of the country is ridiculously pro-israel.

          • JigglySackles@lemmy.world
            176·
            16 hours ago

            Trump didn’t stop genocide. In fact it’s markedly worse under him. This is more complex than one issue.

              • JigglySackles@lemmy.world
                152·
                15 hours ago

                Yes it fucking is worse under trump and Democrats aren’t my fucking team.

                Call me soulless all you fucking want, it won’t make it true. My friends died because of this fucking genocide. I want it to end and not because israel ran out of Palestinians. But you sitting there pretending like this was fixable in this election is asinine. Maybe in some fantasy land we would have had a decent candidate to vote for. But in reality I was given an option between a tyrannical fascist that would happily accelerate genocide, and an ineffectual slug that would slow play the genocide. A slower option is better than an accelerated one, even if both are horrendously bad.

    • PorkRoll@lemmy.worldEnglish
      293·
      1 day ago

      Harris assured Trump voters that nothing would fundamentally change. The Democratic party is sitting on their thumbs while the fascists are taking over. Electoral politics don’t save us from fascism.

    • Ferrous@lemmy.mlEnglish
      1435·
      17 hours ago

      The democrats had a choice between genocide and curbing fascism. Your savior party chose to starve kids over halt fascism. Why are “tankies” obligated to respect your bizarre utility calculation, but Kamala and the democrats are not?

      What is your red line? Assuming in 30 years, when the choice is between a candidate who wants 9 genocides and a candidate who wants 10, will you still be militantly democrat? Is there no point at which you would start to call into question your genocidal, fascist, enslaving government?

    • MellowYellow13@lemmy.world
      1220·
      17 hours ago

      Yeah supporting genocide makes you unpopular crazy! surprise surprise fascism lite wont beat fascism. Kamala Harris will never beat Trump sorry

    • PastaCannon@lemmy.ml
      1548·
      19 hours ago

      You are still here at this discussion in 2025? I don’t get it man, I really don’t.

      Did you understand that Harris was giving you a little treat just to continue a genocide? I guess by your comment that you are fine if those brown kids starve as long as you can still buy your favourite triple mcburger. Right? (͡•_ ͡• )

      • phutatorius@lemmy.zip
        4313·
        19 hours ago

        Your single-issue principles contributed to us being stuck again with Trump.

        And guess what? The kids are starving even worse now, and being gunned down, when they’re not being bombed. You must be really proud of yourself.

        • MellowYellow13@lemmy.world
          127·
          17 hours ago

          Guess what? Kamala will never beat Trump. Turns out neoliberalism wont beat Fascism. All she had to do was be an actual opposition. Crazy. I know its so hard to be against genocide, so hard!

          • Stabbitha@lemmy.world
            22·
            8 hours ago

            “Kamala will never beat Trump”

            Yeah no shit because Democrats don’t run again after being beaten, and literally nobody is calling for her to run again. Why do you keep saying this stupid shit, like we’re all a bunch of Kamala fanboys and you’ve got some gotcha?

        • PastaCannon@lemmy.ml
          98·
          17 hours ago

          I know it’s hard to understand for you, but thank god I can’t vote in the states. I’m just telling you what it is, you can cover your eyes and ears if you like.

          • JigglySackles@lemmy.world
            144·
            16 hours ago

            No you aren’t. You are boiling a complex problem down to a singular issue as if there was some mystical way to vote or abstain and not continue to have genocide issues in Palestine. No matter if you didn’t vote or voted for trump or voted for kamala this issue would still be there!

            In this scenario the option isn’t to lean full force into fascist theocracy and quite honestly, deeper genocide support with the republicans and Trump. The only reasonable choice was to mitigate all the other issues on the table.

            I’m glad you can’t vote here, because if you are too dumb to understand this dilema, then you are just like the people that contributed to this mess. So stay where you are please and thank you.

            • PastaCannon@lemmy.ml
              314·
              15 hours ago

              Complex problem? You do sound a lot like a zionist my dear. You act like there was not other option, but it was, and if you telling me you were dispersing votes, how come an outsider like Zoran won? So people do know how to organize and fight, you just didn’t want to before. Kamala was a safe, “not challenging my history” candidate, and you were okay with it.

              Bro, if this is the story you have to tell to be at peace with yourself and pretend to be the good guy, be my guest. I am just warning you, this is not how the rest of the world sees it.

              • JigglySackles@lemmy.world
                72·
                15 hours ago

                Yes complex. If you can’t understand that this situation is complex, then you really need to hit the books more.

                I’m so glad Mamdani won. I hope more like him come out and I get a chance to vote for him or someone like him on a national scale.

                I’m no zionist. I hate israel and i die inside seeing the suffering they are causing and that my own fucking country blindly supports. I hate it and I hate that people like you can’t understand what it’s like to be stuck with no options to stopping it.

                • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlBanned from communityEnglish
                  34·
                  14 hours ago

                  Yes complex. If you can’t understand that this situation is complex, then you really need to hit the books more.

                  Liberals during a Holocaust

                  I hate israel and i die inside seeing the suffering they are causing and that my own fucking country blindly supports.

                  Except when it’s the Democrats doing it, then you say “it’s not that bad, it’s a complex single issue”

                • PastaCannon@lemmy.ml
                  46·
                  14 hours ago

                  I’m honestly sorry about all the people stuck there. But, like many people in the south, you can move. You have options, you live in the richest country in the world.

                  There is nothing to save here, kamala (like all politicians) was fucking with all of you, she is still is. She is now promoting her book, does she look concerned about gaza or the american collapse to you? Stop defending these rats, join communism. We have kittens.

          • Stabbitha@lemmy.world
            11·
            8 hours ago

            I can’t vote in the states

            Then what the hell makes you think we should give a shit about your stupid-assed opinion? STFU and worry about your own country.

            • PastaCannon@lemmy.ml
              1·
              1 hour ago

              Alright alright cowboy 🤠 just when the fascism hits hard don’t come cry for help tho. And please don’t comment on others people countries ever, nobody gives a shit about your stupid-asses questions. Just STFU and enjoy your brand new ✨recession✨

              • JigglySackles@lemmy.world
                42·
                15 hours ago

                No. I’m not. I fucking hate israel, I lived next door to them and saw their bullshit firsthand and made friends with Palestinians in the country I was in. I want nothing more than to see israel deposed and Palestine restored. I just don’t tolerate people that think we had some magical option on the fucking ballot.

        • skisnow@lemmy.caEnglish
          1419·
          17 hours ago

          Why not go direct that pompous judgmental energy at people who actually voted for Trump, instead of spending your time berating people for not wanting to keep enabling the massively undemocratic 2-party system that led to fascism in the first place?

          (Edit: I genuinely believe this subject gets astroturfed online, there is no way that there is really this big a percentage of cowards and dumbfucks out there who sincerely think that leftists are more to blame for Trump than actual Trump voters. Maybe you’re too timid to engage with Trump voters directly so it’s easier for you to stay in safe liberal spaces and bully the leftists there instead?)

          • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
            157·
            17 hours ago

            Because the single-issue voters who refused to vote for Harris contributed to changing the 2-party system they had, to a 1-party system now.

            Do 3rd party activism between election cycles, not when MegaHitler is close to being elected.

                • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlBanned from communityEnglish
                  52·
                  16 hours ago

                  And yet Democrats are still just as viciously opposed to it.

            • MellowYellow13@lemmy.world
              87·
              17 hours ago

              Kamala will never beat Trump no matter how much you want to cry about it. You need an actual opposition party, neoliberalism is dead.

              • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
                44·
                17 hours ago

                An actual opposition party to the left of the neoliberals siphons votes from the neoliberals to make it easier for the real fascists.

                Changing to a better election system has to happen on a state level first because states are the ones who can choose if they have an FPTP system (yay 2 party system) or a proportional system. Even IF you managed to elect a bona-fide socialist as president, it’s not gonna affect shit because that’s not even the president’s jurisdiction. Or congress. It’s state level.

            • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlBanned from communityEnglish
              44·
              16 hours ago

              I’m really not interested in the moral opinions of people who describe “opposing your government doing a Holocaust” as “single-issue voters”

              Do 3rd party activism between election cycles,

              Seems like you think the time between election cycles is when you should be tearing into the left.

              • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
                11·
                12 hours ago

                Now there’s two holocausts. Everyone with a brain knew it was only going to get worse under Trump compared to Biden or Harris, and now they’re talking about alligators getting 65 million meals. Tell me how is two genocides better than once? How come not a single “true leftist” such as yourself acknowledges Trump being a genocidal maniac, only Harris?

      • FosterMolasses@leminal.spaceEnglish
        55·
        17 hours ago

        You realize that you openly condone the rise the rapid spread of neo-fascism with the strawman argument of a single flawed foreign policy, right? (͡•_ ͡• )

        • PastaCannon@lemmy.ml
          56·
          17 hours ago

          Uff, how the fuck do not see that the united states always has been a fascist country? Now it’s just idiot-fascist and it will kill itself thank god.

          And also single issue? Vietnam, Cambodia, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria (recently) and many more… does it look single to you? This is a global aggressive superpower committing worldwide atrocities.

    • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      1219·
      19 hours ago

      I guess outward fascism towards the 3rd world, and inward fascism towards the USA’s own population seem like different things to you.

      Trump’s doing both, while Kamala sure as hell would have ensured the former.

      We cannot live this contradiction in the USA anymore. Freedom and diversity for Americans means freedom and diversity for all humans. I’m so sick and tired of centrist liberals defending this corrupt USA that perpetuates the enslavement of the third world.

      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        178·
        19 hours ago

        I guess outward fascism towards the 3rd world, and inward fascism towards the USA’s own population seem like different things to you.

        Whatever bullshit you have to tell yourself to sleep at night.

        There’s no such thing as “inward” or “outward” fascism. You’re just making shit up.

        It’s just fascism, and your inaction has directly led to it. Well done.

        • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlBanned from communityEnglish
          33·
          16 hours ago

          You contradict yourself, if “it’s just fascism”, then it was already fascism when the Democrats were doing it overseas

        • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          99·
          18 hours ago

          Is it not liberals’ agenda to retain some semblance of civil rights, while at the same time upholding foreign policy?

          Gay Nazis are still Nazis.

          You’re dreaming of a state of affairs that doesn’t exist.

          Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds

              • PastaCannon@lemmy.ml
                3·
                15 hours ago

                I’m starting to believe there are many zionist here posting as liberals just to not be covered by insults.

            • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              54·
              17 hours ago

              You’re right, liberalism doesn’t compare to fascism.

              All it does is enable it though, which according to you shitlibs, is just as bad as the fascists themselves.

              Why not adopt progressive politics that actually fight against the forces that incubate fascist states?

              • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                65·
                17 hours ago

                Why not adopt progressive politics that actually fight against the forces that incubate fascist states?

                Who are you talking to? Do you think I need to be a liberal in order to be able to state the obvious that they’re different than fascists?

      • Klear@lemmy.worldEnglish
        107·
        19 hours ago

        I’m so sick and tired of centrist liberals defending this corrupt USA that perpetuates the enslavement of the third world.

        Luckily thanks to you and others like you they lost. Yay! Good job!

        Now what?

        • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          106·
          18 hours ago

          Luckily thanks to you and liberals like you, instead of fighting back against the GOP in the 2 times these last 20 years where Democrats have had SUPER MAJORITIES in Congress, you passed half measures while playing identity politics.

          We could have had meaningful, material improvements to people’s lives, a good marker of de-escalation of violence, but instead the DNC, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and liberals clung to their monopoly on the only counter party to the fascists we have.

          You all are still coping that you lost the 2024 election, and you’re rutterless as to why

          I have a clue: see what makes Zohran Mamdani so popular in New York. It has to do with rejecting the Democratic establishment and all the billionaire donors that back it

          • JigglySackles@lemmy.world
            91·
            15 hours ago

            The irritating thing here is that so many people think we had other options available to vote for. I TRIED to vote for Bernie, DNC made sure that didn’t happen, I WANT to vote for someone that doesn’t support genocide, I WANT a candidate that says fuck Democrats, fuck Republicans, we are heading to the left full steam ahead. But that was never on the fucking ballot. And even if they were, we need all the sitting representatives and senators to be ousted too or they will have zero support institutionally and still get nothing done despite their position.

        • MellowYellow13@lemmy.world
          51·
          17 hours ago

          Centrism will never bear fascism, you need actual opposition. Crazy how you all still dont realize this yet? How long will it take?

              • Klear@lemmy.worldEnglish
                32·
                17 hours ago

                Mostly that “centrism” means a completely different thing in a working democracy with more than one and a half parties. It’s super common for Americans to view the whole world from the limited perspective of their screwed up politics, ignorant and unwilling to learn of how things are elsewhere.

        • theparadox@lemmy.worldEnglish
          107·
          19 hours ago

          Now what?

          Now you get to ignorantly blame progressives for what was, ultimately, a Democrat policy failure. Bonus - doing so drives a wedge between Democrats! Yay! Good job!

          Now how about you do something fucking constructive.

      • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
        86·
        17 hours ago

        Trump’s doing both, while Kamala sure as hell would have ensured the former

        Harris would’ve continued status quo, yes. But Trump wants to accelerate it. He wants all Palestinians out of Gaza so he can build a beach resort where their homes used to be. There is a non-zero chance of American boots on ground to help clear out any remaining Palestinians.

        • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          81·
          17 hours ago

          Good thing in the years leading up to October 7th, when Democrats were in office, we couldn’t force Israel to adopt a one-state solution.

          Obama, Biden, Harris, they’re all complicit in the aggressive approach of Israel towards the apartheid and genocide they commit today.

          And not just today. For the past 75+ years

        • MellowYellow13@lemmy.world
          105·
          17 hours ago

          Kamala will never beat Trump, shes crazy unpopular and neoliberalism is dead. You need an opposition to fascism, pretty simple.

          • JigglySackles@lemmy.world
            83·
            16 hours ago

            No shit, but it wasn’t available to vote for in the election. We can’t vote with hopes and dreams because our system is fucked. All we can pick is the lesser of two evils.

            • MellowYellow13@lemmy.world
              4·
              12 hours ago

              And I’m telling you that lesser of two evils will never beat Trump or fascism, full stop. You want to win you need actual opposition. Like you mentioned Mamdani, theres a reason he won handily.

              • JigglySackles@lemmy.world
                11·
                8 hours ago

                I agree with you. There needs to be a real option to get anywhere. We’ve been circling the drain too long. And the DNC is ensuring it stays that way by keeping out real challengers. It’s maddening.

            • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              42·
              15 hours ago

              Why wasn’t it available to vote for in the election?

              Oh right, because the one-term, transitional candidate Joe Brandon wanted his second term, and then rightfully got fucked in the debate with Trump.

              If Democrats understood Trump’s threat to Democracy truly, they would have had primaries in 2024. Instead we got establishment picks that robbed our civic participation

              Yes we have to pick the lesser of two evils in that moment, but for all the other moments leading up to the general and primary, like right now, Democrats could have ran a better candidate.

              But they didn’t. And they aren’t right now.

              Hopes and dreams are perfectly valid right now to throw out the establishment and start campaigning for candidates that don’t take AIPAC money

              • JigglySackles@lemmy.world
                72·
                15 hours ago

                I would love to see the DNC destroyed. They’ve been at the forefront of shoveling fascist lite candidates in front.

                Hoping I get to vote for a Mamdani or similar in the future.

          • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
            57·
            17 hours ago

            Well of course she wouldn’t, she’s a woman and America is crazy sexist.

            Biden did, with nothing but neoliberalism and status quo. So there, Americans want neoliberalism, they just don’t want a woman in charge.

            • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
              6·
              16 hours ago

              Americans want neoliberalism, they just don’t want a woman in charge.

              neoliberals want neoliberalism and they pretend that harris lost because she’s a woman in order to shut out AOC.

              • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
                11·
                12 hours ago

                Some 67% of Gen Z white men voted Trump thanks to the manosphere influencers but go off on how America isn’t growing increasingly sexist lol

                • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  4·
                  10 hours ago

                  Oh, it’s increasingly sexist all right. Democrats are now saying that women can’t win because they don’t want a particular woman to run.

            • MellowYellow13@lemmy.world
              81·
              17 hours ago

              She offered no policy to Americans except “Trump is worse.” She will never beat Trump or fascism. Americans want fascism , fascism lite doesnt beat fascism. You want to beat fascism you need opposition

              • Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                91·
                17 hours ago

                Less than a third want fascism, and even then, some people that voted for Trump are getting their faces eaten by leopards.

                We need progressive opposition politicians that can speak to what Americans want: affordability, equity, health care.

              • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
                52·
                17 hours ago

                Harris advocated for limited government control of grocery and food prices, a cap on prescription drug costs, and expansion of the child tax credit.[17][18] On immigration, Harris supported increasing the number of Border Patrol agents and reforming the immigration system. On foreign policy, she supported continued military aid to Ukraine and Israel in their respective wars, but insisted that Israel should agree to a ceasefire and hostage deal and work towards a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

                Straight off Wikipedia because I’m not going to find better sources for a troll.

                Not a fan of some of those (Immigration and continued support of Israel), but you can’t tell me that moderate government control over the fast-rising grocery prices or a cap on prescription drug costs is a bad thing? Also while the republican solution to a lack of children being born is to outlaw abortions and sex ed, she planned a large tax credit you’d get for having a newborn. How is that not a better solution to the birth crisis the conservatives are yelling about?

                • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlBanned from communityEnglish
                  33·
                  16 hours ago

                  This is big “Hitler made the trains run on time” energy.

        • ReiRose@lemmy.world
          21·
          16 hours ago

          Hopefully he accelerates it so quickly that Americans will actually push back. And if they still aren’t convinced to arm themselves and take to the streets at least they may start to use all their sick time and vacation time.

          • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
            41·
            12 hours ago

            Lol at Americans pushing back at a genocide happening in another country

            Never going to happen. It’ll just be a more thorough and fast genocide with increased US government support. The primary difference is that now there’s going to be TWO genocides because latinos in the US are another target. But of course Trump isn’t any worse than Harris.

            • ReiRose@lemmy.world
              21·
              11 hours ago

              I meant the acceleration into facism that would impact people’s lives. I agree, Americans (in general) won’t do anything too uncomfortable to defend people somewhere else. If he starts rounding up and killing Latinos I think there’d be a but more of a fuss.

              • boonhet@sopuli.xyz
                1·
                6 hours ago

                But will there?

                At this rate it seems there’s two types of Latinos in the US. The progressive ones and the “Fuck you, got mine” ones that actively hate Latinos. Latinos for Trump is actively going to cheer as he rounds up and kills Latinos, as “we’re the good ones, he’s only killing the terrorists/illegals/etc”.

    • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
      814·
      1 day ago

      Wow. You really thought no accomplishments but arming a genocide was a winning message, huh?

  • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
    192·
    1 day ago

    trump is getting more and more desperate as the days go on, when epstein files arnt released, and mounting pressure and more evidence showing up about his pedophelia, the tariffs arnt really distracting as it use to be, Also its not like elections were free or fair to begin with, significant tampering has been done by the gop on local,state and presidential for a while.

  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
    922·
    1 day ago

    Beginning to question the inherent wisdom of “Normal transition of power” when Biden handed the keys of the kingdom to a guy who openly planned to lock all the doors and shoot the next guy elected to walk through them.

    But hey, I guess it would have been against the rules not to meekly empower a fascist dictatorship.

    • Scotty_Trees@lemmy.world
      133·
      17 hours ago

      I love these comments that always place the blame on Biden, instead of you know, the actual fucking fascists. JFC.

      • 7toed@midwest.socialEnglish
        71·
        16 hours ago

        For the record, the “actual fucking fascists” didn’t materialize during this last election, or the one before it, or the one before it… etc. I remember when the dems campaigned on “no human is illegal” in 2016 but by time of this last cycle, they were capitulating on immigration and the border to attract the elusive moderate republican to vote democrat… a strategy that failed our democracy in the end.

    • -☆-@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      113·
      1 day ago

      I disagree with Biden’s handling of the transition, but it’s definitely internally consistent with his beliefs. He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.

      I would not be surprised if part of the intention here was to maintain legitimacy during the initial transfer, so that when the monsters refuse to do the same, it will lend legitimacy to a global response to assist the people in reclaiming their democracy.

      Now, you could also call that ‘passing the buck’ and… Well, yes. He did seem to do too much of that, imo. Or not enough, depending on how you look at it.

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
        81·
        16 hours ago

        He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.

        Hence backing Al Qaeda in Syria, fleecing Afghanistan of it’s currency reserves to kick off a famine, propping up a military dictatorship in The Philippines, all while continuing a 70 year old illegal blockade of Cuba? Never even mind the Holocaust in Gaza.

        Come on, dude. The US has always been playing Calvinball with Rule of Law. If Biden made noises about it, that’s just him delivering the company line one last time to the liberal rubes.

        when the monsters refuse to do the same, it will lend legitimacy to a global response to assist the people in reclaiming their democracy.

        That’s pure cope.

        Biden bent over backwards for the Silicon Valley mega-donors practically from day one, and they took full advantage until he was used up and disposed of.

        He wasn’t secretly plotting a resistance movement, he was carving up the country in advance so that Trump could sell it off easier.

        • -☆-@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          11·
          8 hours ago

          To clarify, I am not a Biden supporter by any means. In fact, I place a lot of the blame for the fucked state of the world right now squarely on his shoulders. It would not be a stretch to say that I harbor a deep resentment for the man’s work.

          However, I do think there’s a lot to learn from his career. Because as far as I can tell, the man genuinely seemed to be trying to improve the world for the average person. Thus, he clearly fucked up catastrophically, and there’s a lot to learn from how and why.

          The US disregard of the Rule of Law historically seemed to be one of his personal bugbears. At least from what I’ve seen of his accounts and those around them. I won’t judge you if you want to discard him as a bumbling hypocrite, but we can learn the most from failure.

      • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
        106·
        18 hours ago

        He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.

        No, Biden did not. He actively broke it by financing Israel’s genocide against international and domestic law.

        • -☆-@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          1·
          8 hours ago

          You’re right, that was awful and idealogically-rooted behavior justified in the name of liberal statecraft.

          US support of Israel is a huge problem, and needs to stop. I am with you, and he should be held accountable for the part he played in that.

        • arrow74@lemmy.zip
          71·
          17 hours ago

          Sorry US law, that’s where the US can do whatever it wants in the rest of the world but at home there is a rule book (allegedly)

          • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
            21·
            12 hours ago

            I do find it strange that the people down voting are more upset about someone pointing out how Biden broke International and Domestic (Leahy) Law to finance a genocide than the actual genocide itself

    • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      10·
      1 day ago

      I hope you are being cheeky by saying ‘beginning to’, it was immensely obvious this was the plan going back to, at bare minimum, about a year before the election, when Trump just kept saying he was gonna serve 3 terms, his supporters wouldn’t have to vote again, etc.

    • Labtec6@lemmy.ca
      101·
      1 day ago

      Probably what will happen is anyone who might challenge them will suddenly be arrested on Trumped-Up charges.

    • HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
      119·
      1 day ago

      So what. You wanted a dictatorship to stop a dictatorship. Once the normal transition of power is not followed its game over for our democracy.

      • Guidy@lemmy.world
        8·
        1 day ago

        I wanted the traitor coward Merrick Garland to do his motherfucking job and prosecute that POS and throw him in federal prison while making him completely unable to appear on any ballot.

        Thanks for asking.

        • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.worldEnglish
          52·
          1 day ago

          Garland did what he was hired to do. He slow walked the investigations so biden could run against trump again because biden knew he couldn’t beat anyone better.

      • Hegar@fedia.io
        111·
        1 day ago

        Once the normal transition of power is not followed its game over for our democracy.

        Once people who’ve sworn to end democracy are given the power to end democracy, then it’s game over for democracy.

        Preventing a corrupt criminal who’s a known agent of a hostile foreign powers from becoming president is a healthy thing to do.

        • PixxlMan@lemmy.world
          42·
          1 day ago

          If the electorate in a democracy want to end democracy, then it’s game over. You can’t save that.

          • nilloc@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            8·
            18 hours ago

            Unless the democracy has systemic flaws that allow it to be captured by minority rule, and that minority voting block disenfranchises enough of the opposition to take all power from the majority.

            This wasn’t a democracy in anything more than name before the election.

        • HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
          01·
          1 day ago

          As would be preventing officials voted into office in a democracy but sooner. There is still a chance as of now as he has not stopped elections yet.

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
        10·
        1 day ago

        You wanted a dictatorship to stop a dictatorship.

        Given the current state of affairs, I’m not clear how a Permanent Biden-o-cracy was supposed to be worse.

        Once the normal transition of power is not followed its game over for our democracy.

        Well, thank god we don’t officially lose our Democracy for another eighteen months.

        • HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
          1·
          1 day ago

          its worse because it would be 18 months sooner. Its like climate change. It won’t help if we were at 5 degrees now instead of 1.5. That would not fix it.

      • leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        8·
        1 day ago

        Congratulations, you just discovered the paradox of tolerance.

        And, yeah, essentially, in order to survive, a democratic society cannot allow those who seek to destroy it to participate in the democratic process.

        • HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
          03·
          1 day ago

          Nope. I have been aware of the paradox of tolerance for awhile and its a little shoehorning to put this situation into it. Your talking about a case of allowing an elected official to take office not tolerating speech.

          • leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            5·
            1 day ago

            An elected official who repeatedly stated and demonstrated his intention of preventing any future elections and destroying democracy.

            An elected official, therefore, who should never have been allowed to run for office in the first place (this isn’t the only reason he shouldn’t have been allowed, of course, in a sane country he’d also been unelectable due to his criminal record, lack of any semblance of mental health, and intellectual insufficiency, but it’s the most important).

            • HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
              02·
              1 day ago

              Ill agree he should not have been able to run but that was a failure of congress or in other words other people elected under the democracy to office. Not allowing him to run would have been great but not allowing him to take office when elected would be disastrous.

              • leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                3·
                1 day ago

                not allowing him to take office when elected would be disastrous

                It would have been many orders of magnitude less disastrous than the alternative.

                Sure, cutting off your cancerous hand would’ve been traumatic. But survivable.

                Now, however, said hand is so far up your arse that it’s ripped apart your colon in several places and you’re bleeding to death while experiencing horrible agony, and spraying all your neighbours with blood and feces.

                You could have recovered from getting rid of Trump, but there’s no coming back from what you’ve allowed him to do to your country, and the world.

                • HubertManne@piefed.socialEnglish
                  11·
                  1 day ago

                  No. No it would not have. Your talking about doing something trump has not done yet. It would accelerate the problems by putting us at worse case in january of 2025 rather than in late 2026.

    • atzanteol@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      13·
      1 day ago

      “How dare you break the laws - we should have broken the laws to stop you from breaking the laws.”

      • EldritchFemininity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        2·
        15 hours ago

        How would it have been breaking the law? According to the Supreme Court long before the election, any act a President does while in office is legal.

        Just because something is legal doesn’t make it right, and just because it’s illegal doesn’t mean that it’s the right thing to do. It’s illegal to donate or hand out food from your garden to the homeless - as pertains to the law stating that it’s illegal to provide a better service than the government.

      • Sterile_Technique@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        1 day ago

        All Biden needed to do was have Trump assassinated - as an official presidential action, it would have been perfectly legal according to Trump’s precedent.

        Follow that up with a “Y’all see why this is maybe not the greatest idea to give the ol’ prez this much power? Repeal it, then I’ma fuck off to some beach somewhere.”

        Boom. Democracy saved, all without breaking the law.