Ring footage shows an agent pulling his gun on her, after which he shoves her down multiple times, pushes her back into house & slams the door.
All because she was asking for proof of a warrant. They refused to even give their names & badge numbers.
Ring footage shows an agent pulling his gun on her, after which he shoves her down multiple times, pushes her back into house & slams the door.
All because she was asking for proof of a warrant. They refused to even give their names & badge numbers.
Still seems like a lot of info is missing, but from the linked article:
The event is fucked up (I assume—there is no info about anything causing him to be targeted specifically, but he has teenage children, obviously he’s been in the US for some time now), but at least, based on this, “legal immigrant” in your title is not accurate.
It’s important to be honest and accurate, or you make it easier to be dismissed by opponents.
Edit: It’s hard to find more information, but apparently he immigrated illegally in 2004, and ignored a deportation order from 2005 (so, has been in the country illegally for over 20 years). If that’s true, then yeah, “legal immigrant” in the title is a straight-up lie.
Hey buddy -
Sane people don’t give a fuck if this fella is here legally, this is not okay behavior for a functioning society.
The “opponents” are not engaging in good faith arguments in the first place.
False information is still false information. You could find a way to justify Fox News with those arguments.
The point is that that information is irrelevant to the issue at hand. But I may as well be arguing with a brick wall.
If it was irrelevant why is it in the title?
My uncle says the same thing about Hunter Bidens laptop. The fact is a the truth of the information is always relevant.
I’m reading replies to your message and I can’t figure out why people are coming at you so hard, except that they’re conflating you with a Trump supporter or sealion (which is obviously not true if they read your comments), and then just digging in.
You specifically say that this is “fucked up,” but there doesn’t seem to be a genuine dispute that you are correct, there was a deportation order. Hence, not a “legal immigrant.” That sucks, it doesn’t mean that the arrest is legal, but it is an objective inaccuracy.
I’m the absolute diametric opposite of a Trump supporter, but I agree we should use accurate words and facts.
It says right there in the article that he “grew up in South Carolina”. Another source says his visa papers were taken away years ago and he’s been trying to get them back ever since – hence the “working towards legal citizenship”
Assuming it’s true that he did, that does not, at all, contradict/refute him being an illegal immigrant.
That’s not a “source”, that’s the quoted claim of his girlfriend:
There has been no verification of this claim’s accuracy, and she is the furthest thing from an objective third party. Calling her a “source” is disingenuous as fuck, and I have a feeling you know that.
Not to mention, “working towards legal citizenship” very strongly implies he was never a legal citizen before, or else why wouldn’t it say something like he was working toward ‘regaining’ citizenship, or mention that he ‘lost’ citizenship?
You know there are hundreds of thousands of permanent residents in the US who are not legal citizens but may or may not be working towards said legal citizenship, right? “Legal immigrant” doesn’t automatically translate to “citizen”.
My wife is legal green card resident
The poster you’re replying to doesn’t know a damn thing.
The 2005 deportation order, issued one year after his arrival in the US, makes me think that, somehow, he might not have been a lawful permanent resident.
P.S. No admission of the deceit in acting like his girlfriend’s claim was a journalistic source of information, I see.
I hope you applied this same level of rigor to your analysis of the reports of Haitian immigrants in Ohio eating cats and dogs.
Edit: The rapidly applied downvote without other comment suggests to me that perhaps you did not.
Down votes on aggregate are based on emotions not logic.
I know I know, so was my edit. 🙂
Fair point, have a good day!
then he wouldnt be an immigrant would he. jfc what are you talking about
So my objective person: you are saying you believe the word of ICE (which conveniently we do not even have) over a published article? Neither should be taken at face value, but who do you think is more likely to be telling the truth?
Skepticism of one account does not amount to endorsement of another.
I don’t think there’s sufficient justification to assume fully on either side, but the fact is that because it’s the popular position, people are happy to take the side against ICE regardless of the circumstances, which is why this post exists in the first place.
All I did was point out said lack of justification on that side, and try to find more information about a situation the linked article obviously wasn’t giving the whole picture for.
No emotional response from me (though plenty of people here project their emotional response onto me, since they can’t fathom someone not eagerly believing whatever benefits their narrative without scrutiny, and so the slightest bit of scrutiny/skepticism of an event they’ve attached their narrative to instantly becomes the assumption ‘you’re a foot soldier for the Bad/Other Guys!’).
That’s how objectivity works, despite your sarcastic implication otherwise.
How long have you worked for Trump?
I really hope whoever gets in after Trump, if someone does, basically signs an EO saying all illegal citizens in the USA as of X date are now citizens. With all rights and privileges that conveys.
If that were me, I’d disband ICE in it’s current form. They’d be reformed solely for customs enforcement. I’d only enforce immigration issues if and when an illegal immigrant was arrested and convicted of a felony.
I hope Congress reclaims its power and EOs stop being a thing!